Matt Hancock has confirmed the advisory group SAGE has been downgraded and the Joint Biosecurity Centre is taking over the UK’s coronavirus response.
The independent body has taken a backseat now that Covid-19 is a ‘semi-permanent’ problem and not an emergency, Mr Hancock said.
And there are now Covid-19 committees set up inside Whitehall to make decisions without COBRA meetings, which are usually hosted by the Prime Minister.
The Health Secretary said that the new Joint Biosecurity Centre, about which little is known, is now taking charge of decisions on Covid-19.
Speaking to a committee of MPs this afternoon Mr Hancock refused to say when COBRA last met and said it has been replaced with a ‘bespoke system’ composed of two main groups named Covid-S and Covid-O. Covid-S is chaired by Boris Johnson.
It is not clear how much engagement the Joint Biosecurity Centre has with independent scientists – SAGE was set up so the country’s top researchers could advise the Government without bias.
Mr Hancock also admitted that reform of Public Health England is on the cards and that he didn’t realise until the epidemic hit what its limits were.
It didn’t become clear until March that PHE wouldn’t be able to arrange the mass coronavirus swab testing the country needed, he said.
Although he said his focus was now on ‘preparing for winter’, the reform of PHE was ‘a question whose time will come’.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the new Government committees have been set up to control decisions about Covid-19 without the need for a COBRA meeting
Greg Clark, chair of the Science and Technology Committee of MPs, asked Mr Hancock in today’s meeting when COBRA last met.
COBRA is the emergency committee usually chaired by the Prime Minister when there is a national emergency.
Mr Hancock said: ‘I haven’t got that date to hand,’ and refused to be pressed for any more detail, before revealing that the committee is no longer the chief decision-maker.
The Health Secretary said: ‘The decision-making for coronavirus that’s in place is that there’s a Covid-O, which takes the operational decisions and meets two or three times a week, and then that reports into Covid-S, which takes the strategic decisions and is chaired by the Prime Minister, and that works effectively.’
Mr Hancock described Covid-S and Covid-O as a ‘coronavirus sub-committee system’.
Mr Clark noted that COBRA is the ‘established means of operating in an emergency,’ adding ‘this seems to be an emergency’.
Mr Hancock confirmed that COBRA had been used at the start of the crisis but it has been replaced by a ‘semi-permanent’ system dedicated entirely to Covid-19.
And explaining why the Government has drifted away from SAGE, which is led by Sir Patrick Vallance and includes the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, Mr Hancock said it was not set up in a way that allowed it to keep going indefinitely.
He said: ‘SAGE, remember, is the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies – it’s not a body that is just there for coronavirus or, indeed, for communicable diseases and epidemics and pandemics.
‘And as we build our capability to deal with epidemics on a grand scale we are building the capability together in one place under the JBC [Joint Biosecurity Centre]’.
It is not clear whether members of the JBC are independent or on the Government payroll.
The organisation itself is part of NHS Test and Trace which means it is run by Baroness Dido Harding, who answers directly to Mr Hancock.
SAGE, by comparison, is composed of scientists from across the country who volunteer their time to take part in round-table discussions to talk about scientific evidence and help explain it to members of the Government.
The move sparked controversy earlier this month among scientists who say nothing is known about who works for the JBC and fear it will become a secretive organisation.
Dr Richard Horton, editor of the medical journal The Lancet, said on Twitter on July 8: ‘The replacement of SAGE by the Joint Biosecurity Centre as the principal mechanism for advising government on the intersection of Covid-19 science with policy is a setback for indpendent scientific advice to government, a setback for transparency, and a setback for public trust.’
Professor Susan Michie, a health psychologist at University College London, added: ‘It would be very strange and worrying to reduce the role, cohesiveness and frequency of SAGE and to transfer responsibilities to a new body, the Joint Biosecurity Centre, that is shrouded in secrecy, with no information about its members, how they were selected, and methods for governance, oversight and accountability.
‘Transparency of science and the relationship between science and policy is going to be key to public trust, which the Government needs to rebuild urgently.’
Speaking about the future of Public Health England in today’s meeting, Mr Hancock praised the agency and said criticism appeared to stem from a misunderstanding of what it could do.
But he admitted that the agency could be facing reform because its focus is too narrow and it doesn’t have enough power to take action.
‘I think some people have been too unfair on PHE over this,’ the Health Secretary said.
‘PHE are a brilliant scientific organisation and they were set up to be a scientific organisation and we needed to move from science to scale… PHE was never set up to be a scale organisation.’
Asked whether he knew this advance, Mr Hancock said: ‘No I learnt it and so the [testing] policy shifted over to us on the 17th of March and once I then I had full direct control of it I could then put my foot on the accelerator and we expanded the scale.’
‘The challenge we found was it was not an organisation set up to be ready to go to mass national scale… we built the scale outside of PHE.’
When pressed on whether he was reforming PHE Mr Hancock said: ‘There will be a time for that. My priority now is on controlling the virus and preparing for winter… we need a public health agency that isn’t only brilliant at science but also able to go to scale quickly.’